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If you hire a house cleaner, and the house cleaner doesn't do a good job, would you fire yourself from the house? What repercussions will you personally suffer?

If I had a roommate who spent huge swaths of our monthly budget on house cleaning we didn't need, I might tell them to go find another place to live.

Or to stop stretching metaphors.. The investors should be mad that the layoffs were even necessary.


Yes, and being mad is not 0 or 1.

Investors are mad to a certain degree for a mishap, but then investors are also happy about something else.

To continue analogy, Zuck has made $10,000 for shareholders and had a mishap of $1000.

How much should Zuck be punished here? I don't have a good answer but it is certainly not firing himself for it.


But they were fine with the hiring in the first place. Making mistakes is allowed - it's worse to pretend like everything you did in the past was flawless.

Also, Zuck controls 61% of the vote for Meta. Investors knew that it was his show when they invested


Are you implying the 10% being fired are all bad workers? What if the house cleaner was not the problem here?

Ok, let's continue the analogy. The house cleaners weren't the problem. They are the best of the best at cleaning the pool.

You have the pool but now want to get rid of the pool.

You thought you liked the pool but you don't. It was your own mistake for wanting the pool and changing your mind.

Would you fire yourself from the house? You did make a mistake.


The missing bit is where you say "I take full responsibility for this situation", to the cleaners who's lives are impacted by this significantly more than yours.

> Would you fire yourself from the house?

You keep pushing this false framing/binary for some reason. You made a bad call, you lost the money, that's a given (a passive if you will). Where's the active "taking responsibility" part? That's the main critique.


> The missing bit is where you say "I take full responsibility for this situation" > Where's the active "taking responsibility" part?

But what is the implication of taking full responsibility? What actions would he be taking for "taking full responsibility"?

I don't think you meant you merely wanted the performative sound of "I take full responsibility for this situation" to come out of his mouth.

Without actions, the words mean nothing.

So, what would be the actions you were looking for here? I don't quite get it.


> I don't think you meant you merely wanted the performative sound of "I take full responsibility for this situation" to come out of his mouth. Without actions, the words mean nothing.

100% agree, and that's precisely the critique towards Mark as those words presumably came out of his mouth.

> So, what would be the actions you were looking for here?

Claw back his executive compensation, forfeit bonuses for the fiscal year and use that to fund better severance / transition support? There's smarter people than me who can answer this, I am merely pointing out and ridiculing this fake accountability and moral theater.


It is irrelevant if the workers did a good job. They are at the service and discretion of the house. The house, i.e. the owner, always remains. Until everything burns down. In case of Meta, pipe-dream, one can only hope.

A closer analogy would be that you asked the house cleaner to clean the pool house when you actually needed the main house cleaned. The house cleaner recognized that you asked for the wrong area to be cleaned, but went ahead and did it anyway, but did a great job cleaning the wrong thing.

The cleaner isn't the problem with respect to the cleaning itself, but what about the culpability in exploiting someone who has lost their mind? In this case Zuckerberg is willing to accept the exploitation that occurred in the past simply for what it is, but now that he has had a moment of clarity he also cannot let it continue.


> a renaissance

How many renaissances does one company need? Apple hasn't had enough? lol


Security through obscurity is still better than no obscurity...

There aren't that many combinations. I finally won hahaha


I still remember when Sam tweeted about how gpt-5 was so smart it scared him.

Then, I only switched from gpt-4 to gpt-5 because the price was cheaper lolz


Linus built git in 8 days or something.


No he didn’t. He built a proof of concept demo in 7 days then handed it off to other maintainers to code for real. I’m not sure why this myth keeps getting repeated. Linus himself clarifies this in every interview about git.

His main contributions were his ideas.

1) The distributed model, that doesn’t need to dial the internet.

2) The core data structures. For instance, how git stores snapshots for files changes in a commit. Other tools used diff approaches which made rewinding, branch switching, and diffing super slow.

Those two ideas are important and influenced git deeply, but he didn’t code the thing, and definitely not in 7 days!


Those were not his ideas. Before Git, the Linux kernel team was using BitKeeper for DVCS (and other DVCS implementations like Perforce existed as well). Git was created as a BitKeeper replacement after a fight erupted between Andrew Tridgell (who was accused of trying to reverse engineer BitKeeper in violation of its license) and Larry McVoy (the author of BitKeeper).

https://graphite.com/blog/bitkeeper-linux-story-of-git-creat...

You may find this 10-year-old thread on HN enlightening, too: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11667494


I agree and that’s the point I was trying to make.

Linus’s contribution is a great one. He learned from prior tools and contributions, made a lot of smart technical decisions, got stuff moving with a prototype, then displayed good technical leadership by handing it off to a dedicated development team.

That’s such a good lesson for all of us devs.

So why the urge to lie and pretend he coded it in a week with no help? I know you’re not saying this, but this is the common myth.


He did what needed to be done. Linux similarly has thousands of contributors and Linus's personal "code contribution" is almost negligible these days. But code doesn't matter. Literally anyone can generate thousands of lines of code that will flip bits all day long. What matters is some combination of the following: a vision, respect from peers earned with technical brilliance, audaciousness, tenacity, energy, dedication etc. This is what makes Linus special. Not his ability to bash on a keyboard all day long.


Im specifically pointing out the false history that Linus god-coded git and handed it to us on the 7th day.

In reality, it was a collaborative effort between multiple smart people who poured months and years of sweat into the thing.

I seem to agree with you. The real story is a good thing and Linus made important contributions!

But he didn’t create git by himself in a week like the parent comments argue.


The point was only that Linus didn't build git in 8 days and alone.


That's just being pedantic for the sake of it.

Git is decades old. Of course, there are tons of contributions after the first 10 days. Everyone knows that.

He started it and built the first working version.


It’s not being pedantic.

The parent comments are arguing that 17million for git 2.0 is insane because Linux wrote the original in a week.

Except that’s not true. He sketched out a proof of concept in a week. Then handed it off to a team of maintainers who worked on it for the next two decades.

It’s also not pedantic because Linus himself makes this distinction. He doesn’t say he coded Git and specifically corrects people in interviews when they this.


Nah, on the 7th day he rested... On the 8th he apologized for his behavior having learned the error of his ways.

On the ninth he roasted some fool.


I wish we had old Linus back just one day to review some vibecoded patch to Linux. I’d love to hear him rant about it.


In a cave, with a box of scraps!


People like to gatekeep coding as if it was some sort of mythical skills that only extremely smart people could do.

Tons of people can code. Coding is not some sort of mythical skill. Millions of people can code.

For some reason, this narrative is almost always applying on people who are politically incompatible with the left like Elon and Sam.


Apart from your last paragraph which is a little contentious, I agree with what you say.

I dont understand why people here require that every tech ceo to be some professional programmer or engineer. I don't think you _need_ to be that deep in it as the CEO. There are plenty of leaders at OpenAI that already fit the bill.

Sam is good at getting funding, seeing the bigger picture, and rallying towards a cause. That is the job of a CEO. It doesn't matter (imo) that he doesn't know how many parameters the next release will have. All that matters is he knows the impact of the new release and knows who to defer to for actual technical decisions.


> how Musk treated the engineers

Probably the least impactful factor for most users.

Unfortunately, independent of the politics, Musk destroyed X with many many odd decisions. Rebranding from Twitter to X is one of the top ones.


I've built many apps throughout the years.

One thing that I've learned is that privacy is a secondary concern. It's never a primary one.

If your app's main differentiation is privacy, it won't sell. Users just don't care about it that much.


Inauthentic activity benefits from privacy though. Inauthentic activity is a primary use case of ChatGPT, which is way more successful than anything you've ever made. Do you think kids using ChatGPT to cheat on homework would care if their chats were "private" but educators could check if submitted essays matched generated content? Uh, yes. So privacy isn't as simple of an idea as you think it is, and is certainly extremely valuable.


It's a telling that you picked an example where one user could access another user's private info in an unauthorized way. No famous app does that.

When I say privacy, I mean supporting the company promises a stronger privacy mechanism e.g. run locally, e2e encryption where the company itself cannot access your private info. This is the case for Session.

It turns out most users are okay with you promising not to use/access their private info for other means. That's already sufficient. Then, other factors e.g. usefulness are more important.


"When I say privacy, I mean everything that makes me right, and everything that makes you wrong."

"No no, that's not what I mean. I mean, privacy is this only, specifically this set of technologies applied to this very specific set of products, and nothing else. Whatever definition will allow me to make this conversation as uninteresting as possible."

Look, I guess my point is, privacy is complicated. In my example, I suppose OpenAI could authorize access to something. They already do, for training. Right? And in some sense, something valuable leaks from one users' data to another. It is still privacy when access to your data is limited in some important way from other people, even when you (or a lot of people, or other people) could benefit from such access. The biggest apps in the world have very, very complicated privacy stories.


It is certainly extremely valuable as an ideological construct, i.e. a fake notion to mislead people into self-defeating behaviors.

"Why not use $COP_APP?" "It's not private" "Well it's by a private company, it's not run by the government or anything - what the fuck are you talking about, corporal?"


> The most plausible explanation is that Satoshi is either dead or incapacitated.

He could have lost the key and doesn't want to be a target or ridiculed. Happened to a lot of people.


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