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Senate Democrats have made at least 5 attempts to stop this. Every Democrat voted in favor except Fetterman. Every republican opposed the attempt except Ron Paul.

The Republicans are entirely responsible for the war in Iran - they started it and have opposed every attempt to reign the administration in. Don't play this "both sides" game when one side is clearly causing the issue here.

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I mean. The side voting while knowing they can't stop it that way, the definition of optics, thought this was worth it to not cater to their anti-war voters, no?

Both side bad yeah, you seem to think the solution is still to cling to the lesser of two evils. Hell, dem presidential candidates were praising Trumps Iran policy up until the bombs started falling. There is no evidence they _actually_ care about a war with Iran outside of, just as you do, saying OH this is THEIR doing.


Look, I would love to reply to this but you don't even articulate a coherent position here.

It seems like you trying to claim that the democrats actively opposing and trying to stop the war are somehow just as culpable as the republicans who are actively supporting the war just because the democrats don't have enough power to actually stop it? I want to be generous in my interpretation here, but I can't make heads or tails of your statement.


yea, I don't see any evidence that either the democratic party or democratic voters support the war on iran, secretly or not

sometimes a cigar is just a cigar


No-one supports the war now. But Palestine just had to go? It can't be about _war_ or loss of life, and the people caring can get f-ed we don't need your votes.

But sure one side is extremely against anything like this but unfortunately only get to demonstrate it when in opposition and unable to do anything.


Would you mind rephrasing this post? It's not clear what you're saying in any of it.

Maybe if you tried writing genuinely without sarcasm (I think there is sarcasm there, hard to tell), it would be more comprehensible?


Right, so your argument is that democrats are performative which is just as bad as the republicans actively starting wars?

Is there a more steelmanned version of this that I can ignore once you start making more false equivalencies in its defense?


The difference might be there in regards to Iran, with it's global market impact. But it's not there in regards to human life or suffering. That was made _very_ clear during the electoral campaign. But now it's _very different_ because it's "them" doing it and we can say we were always against this.

We have to say "us good, them bad" because we're voting the same way next time, and we're not planning to vote for something bad, right?


> But it's not there in regards to human life or suffering. That was made _very_ clear during the electoral campaign.

I don’t know what to say but to call this retarded at best or evil at worst.

Trump ran on a platform that included purposefully harming people. He continues with it. Look at his response to Mueller’s death for instance.

Inb4 you mention something about a genocide in Guzah, and ignore how Trump is backing everything Netanyahu wants done in the region compared to the democrats attempts at holding him back.


> What would the alternative have been? Not reporting that they were purchased at all?

They could have purchased any other vehicle, from any other manufacturer. Any other heavy duty truck would be a better choice than the Cybertruck, which is impractical and poorly designed.

> The premise here seems to be that spacex purchased the trucks for the sole purpose of inflating the tesla reporting, which of course makes no sense from a business perspective

It's almost like the owner of SpaceX, which is doing quite well right now, made a decision designed to benefit the owner of Tesla, which is struggling to sell a bunch of 2-ton chrome shitboxes. Wonder what those two individuals have in common. I'm sure that anyone, even you, will be able to figure it out with a little googling.


They're around 6,600lbs (3,000kg) so maybe even 3 tons of shitbox!

Sure man. Nothing says "hacker ethos" like arresting a citizen for going 3 seconds over their allotted free speech time.

There are so many bootlickers here on HN these days. A sign of the times, I suppose.

But of course, what else can we expect? This is the natural consequence of putting ethics and morality after money. Money always wins. And once you start seeing the world like that, through the lens of "success makes right", you have to bend your view of reality to make it square. And then you wind up here, defending actions like this.


Again, that is not what happened. He went over time. He left the podium. He stopped and talked to the council. He was asked to leave. He refused. The police asked him to leave. At that point he made the decision to leave in handcuffs rather than in the normal fashion.

Asking him to leave sounds likely to be an abuse, but it's a far cry from "arresting a citizen for going 3 seconds over their allotted free speech time."


Where's the bootlicking? I'd the article chooses to lie about why he was arrested for no reason (and try to paint him as "a farmer" rather than a known activist), then people are going to focus on the untruths and wonder what else the article lies about.

There was no need for this article to lie. The actual events were already worth being upset about. It only serves to distract.


> BTW, the J6 protesters were all tracked and identified by their cell phone data.

Many of the insurrectionists were also caught on camera in congress after they broke down the doors and stormed the building. Some even took selfies in the offices of various senators and house reps.


And now they're being let off and called "heroes" by the United States Government.

It's all part of this administration's strategy to set the stage for next time. By pardoning violent criminals, they make it clear that they endorse political violence. Now, when he incites a mob to interrupt the elections next time he loses - in 2026 or 2028 - everyone in the next mob will know that their actions will be pardoned.

I've been building an HLS streaming engine with Elixir. It takes care of asset segmentation, transcoding, and streaming. It supports regular VOD playout, as well as live streaming by dynamically building HLS playlists from a variety of sources, including transcoded VOD assets and other HLS livestreams. It has a basic scheduling system and I'm integrating a lua engine to allow dynamic scheduling using user-provided scripts.

I'm hoping to continue extending it until it can act as a full internet TV delivery stack like Pluto or Roku TV. It still needs to be behind a CDN for efficient delivery but basically any CDN would work.


Yeah, that was another one of the constant mask-off moments. The Party of Free Speech hates free speech.

I have no moral qualms about tricking an LLM, but I would not be surprised if it gets called a violation of the CFAA in the near future.

I hope not. It would be a real shame to offload corporate responsibility onto their customers

Great for shareholders, though.

This interaction nicely illustrates why so many Americans sound hopeless when talking about these developments. We can't even get our fellow citizens to do anything about the school shootings, our incredibly expensive healthcare, the homelessness crisis, or really anything else. Instead we are surrounded by conservative reactionaries who view "let's stop dumping cyanide into the town pond" as a communist plot to steal their religion.

So yeah, when people around here look at "AI" and all the harm it's already doing, they don't any hope that regulations will be put in place before more harm is done.


The person comparing a building full of computers to dumping cyanide in the town pond is the reactionary in this conversation.

It's disheartening to see how shallow the engagement of some people I formerly respected has become. People I looked up to and learned from now just left ChatGPT do their thinking for them, asking for summaries of articles and topics, engaging for a minute or two at most before moving on to the next thing.

Recently, I have been taking intentional steps to avoid falling into the same tar pit. I've started corresponding over email with some of my friends, with us sending multi-page letters back and forth instead of just using chat apps. So far, it has been a wonderful breath of fresh air. Long form communication requires thought and time instead of superficial engagement, and we have had some incredibly interesting discussions that simply aren't possible over voice chat or instant messaging.


Great idea, thanks!

> sit idle for any sort of unjust retribution

This is genuinely hilarious. I guess you haven't been paying attention but "sitting idle during injustice" is all that Trump supporters do.

No, his base is already collapsing. He overextended with Iran, sent gas prices up, and as a direct result has finally started to bleed support from the know-nothings. I doubt Trump himself will ever face justice for his many crimes - he is likely to die of old age first - but the rest of the administration? Knives are out. They'll be back in prison just like happened in 2020 and 2021, and all those "dedicated supporters" will do nothing because the people who form this administration are petty, uninteresting people who were specifically chosen because they are not popular.


I don't agree with your prediction, the interesting thing is now, perhaps, we can actually wager on the outcomes, I wonder if there is anything on prediction markets about administration officials going to jail.

The idea that his support is collapsing is also pretty misstated. Yes, there's a lot of people that don't fully agree with Iran and other things, but that's a far cry from backing his ops.

I also think you are missing the shift in politics at all the lower levels to align with the current administration. Outside of the deepest wealthy Democrat areas, and even in some of those, the general position of local politicians and officials is moving towards the sort of nationalist populist attitude Trump has curated.

The same is also pervasive among state and federal government institutions with limited exception.

And of course that's all only IF Democrats win big in 2028 which is a far from guaranteed outcome.


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