> I doubt it. In your first post, you said you have a work losing crash once a year on your Mac. Sounds like a problem to me. (That’s never happened to me once on my Linux or Windows desktops.)
I didn't write that. Quoting myself:
> I doubt I have a work-losing crash on my Macs more than once a year, if that.
I was being conservative in my claims but did not write that I see a crash a year. I'm pretty sure I could count the total crashes I've seen in macOS/OSX on a half-dozen machines (work and personal) in ~10 years I've been using it, on one hand without using all the fingers. Three, maybe? Two? It's extremely uncommon. I don't remember when the last time was. It's 100% for-sure under once a year.
Meanwhile, how... have you never, ever had that happen on a Linux or Windows desktop? X has never crashed? Windows has never crashed? How long have you been using them? I'd say I've had hundreds of crashes of the OS or of the GUI desktop system (may as well be the same thing, on a desktop machine) in ~26 years of using Windows and ~21 years of Linux, across perhaps 40 desktops and laptops, personal and work-provided. Granted they're way less common now on Windows than they used to be, especially pre-WinXP (about the same on Linux as they've always been, though).
> You also had to build another machine just so you can play games and try out Linux. That you can’t just play games under macOS sounds like a problem too.
I didn't need to do it to try out Linux. I was trying to cheap out and use the same machine for gaming and for work, ideally without dual-booting, so Windows wasn't an option (for the work part, that is). I should have just bitten the bullet and shelled out for another Mac to begin with, but I thought I'd give Linux (yet) another shot. I was a mostly-Linux user for most desktop/laptop/workstation purposes (except gaming) for most of the 2000-2010 decade, so it's not unfamiliar territory for me.
> I’m also sure that you’ve had problems just like everybody else has had with Macs, from updates that break software and services that you’ve installed. My Macs have been broken numerous times by this bullshit whereas my Linux and Windows machines just keep trucking along like they’re supposed to.
I've had to run a trivially-googlable one-off command to fix homebrew permissions a couple times after OS upgrades. I think it broke badly on an update, requiring more intervention, exactly once, years ago. But the system was still fine, only Homebrew had trouble, and in the worst case it's really easy to just blow it (homebrew, that is) away and start over (which IIRC I've never had to resort to, though).
Dropping 32-bit support sucked. Macs were finally kinda, sorta, almost usable as gaming machines. Not everything was available, but the library had grown large enough that there was tons to play. All wiped out at once. Oh well, all my Macs have always had embedded graphics so I couldn't play anything fancier than Kerbal Space Program or Minecraft or most Unity-engine games, anyway, so it's not like I wasn't still going to need a separate box for that if I really wanted to scratch the PC gaming itch.
Macs do have problems (ugh, those first-gen butterfly keyboards...) but I've yet to see them be bad enough that I wouldn't still be making things a lot harder on myself by going back to Linux for work of any sort, and if I'm just gaming on something it may as well run Windows (which is unsuitable for any work I do or want to do, for a ton of reasons).
I'm an exclusive arch user and very happy with my time but your comment pisses me off. You had a poor experience with MacOS and a great experience with Linux so naturally the OP must either be misrepresenting their experience or "doing something wrong"?
Why on earth would anyone want to purchase another computer for the sake of using an OS that they already have been soured on, especially when they could just spin up a VM? That's just being wasteful regardless of how expensive it is (computers also occupy space, energy, and time).
No, I've had poor experiences with every OS. The difference is that macOS problems are the worst type of problems that can't or won't be solved because Apple will just pull the rug out from under you at any minute. That and there are just too many things which macOS simply cannot do.
> ...so naturally the OP must either be misrepresenting their experience or "doing something wrong"?
Nope. I said that they're most likely doing something wrong. You added that bit about them misrepresenting their experience.
> Why on earth would anyone want to purchase another computer for the sake of using an OS that they already have been soured on...
Well gee, I thought this was a forum for tech enthusiasts. And didn't the guy say he has like 47 years of Linux and Windows experience combined? Doesn't sound sour to me... Sounds like he kept trying for a reason and that reason is obviously that a Mac couldn't fill his needs this time for a few different reasons.
> especially when they could just spin up a VM?
Perhaps you can read one of the 32 replies that "handrous" wrote in this thread to find out why he didn't use a VM. If you can't think of any reasons why someone might not want to use a VM for their combined gaming and workstation experiment, then I probably can't help you answer your question.
> That's just being wasteful...
Incorrect. That's just being pragmatic. Hey, I hope you enjoy being pissed off and sour with the other guy though. I'll continue being happy and living the easy life with my single OS computers that do what I want them to because I keep things simple.
Instead of pulling "obvious" reasons out of your ass, how about listening to the guy's explicitly given reason instead - specifically that he wanted a gaming rig and didn't want to pay the "Apple tax".
There is also PCI-Passthrough so you can in fact use a VM for gaming but it's rather cute that you're attempting to paint me as the one who is somehow failing to understand why a particular system might not fulfills their needs.
Also, which "other guy?" Handerous himself? I don't recall him ever expressing being "pissed off and sour" so either you just assumed guilt by association or your reading comprehension is way off.
Also, you literally painted a crash a year as if that's a real problem with MacOS or really any desktop OS. Don't pretend like you're being objective when you are clearly not.
It's great that purchasing multiple devices for each OS suits you. Not everyone is you or agree on what a "simple" scheme is.
Hmmm, well one doesn't pull obvious reasons out of ones ass. Obvious reasons are made obvious by simply existing... and the "Apple tax" seems like an obvious problem to me which is why I referred to it as being obvious in the first place.
Nobody said you or he couldn't use PCI-Passthrough? I honestly don't care what you do - but if and when that doesn't work for you and you come complaining, I'll be glad to share my own experience wherein I don't use such convoluted garbage and my stuff just works.
You yourself claimed he was sour and that you were pissed. Your words, not mine.
A crash a year or every other year is a problem and I'm absolutely, objectively certain of that. Sounds like you have the same problem since you think it's normal. I don't have these problems and I'm betting that's because I keep things very simple. So in my opinion, you're both probably doing something wrong.
> It's great that purchasing multiple devices for each OS suits you. Not everyone is you or agree on what a "simple" scheme is.
It doesn't just suit me, it's empirically better since my machines run for years without crashing. I'm fine with people not agreeing on what's simple because at the end of the day, my stuff is running fine and whatever you guys are doing is not working because you're pissed and he's sour with machines that you can't keep running properly.
I'm not trying to paint anything though. I do enjoy responding to angry frustration with cool, level headed guidance though because I find that it helps those who can be helped. Perhaps that won't work here, so I guess go ahead and get that last word in, I know it's important to some.
Glad to help, but I'm honestly not sure exactly what I said that could be construed as a personal attack or a flame. My best guess: saying that I think people who are having problems with their computers are doing something wrong?
No problem! I'm sorry too. I am not a master of disagreeing well. I got better at it in person, but online I still just sort of let my opinions out. I've sometimes had a habit of being a harsh critic and I've had to temper that over the years. I suspect that I'm a little bit on the spectrum as well and I don't always pick up on social clues.
I didn't write that. Quoting myself:
> I doubt I have a work-losing crash on my Macs more than once a year, if that.
I was being conservative in my claims but did not write that I see a crash a year. I'm pretty sure I could count the total crashes I've seen in macOS/OSX on a half-dozen machines (work and personal) in ~10 years I've been using it, on one hand without using all the fingers. Three, maybe? Two? It's extremely uncommon. I don't remember when the last time was. It's 100% for-sure under once a year.
Meanwhile, how... have you never, ever had that happen on a Linux or Windows desktop? X has never crashed? Windows has never crashed? How long have you been using them? I'd say I've had hundreds of crashes of the OS or of the GUI desktop system (may as well be the same thing, on a desktop machine) in ~26 years of using Windows and ~21 years of Linux, across perhaps 40 desktops and laptops, personal and work-provided. Granted they're way less common now on Windows than they used to be, especially pre-WinXP (about the same on Linux as they've always been, though).
> You also had to build another machine just so you can play games and try out Linux. That you can’t just play games under macOS sounds like a problem too.
I didn't need to do it to try out Linux. I was trying to cheap out and use the same machine for gaming and for work, ideally without dual-booting, so Windows wasn't an option (for the work part, that is). I should have just bitten the bullet and shelled out for another Mac to begin with, but I thought I'd give Linux (yet) another shot. I was a mostly-Linux user for most desktop/laptop/workstation purposes (except gaming) for most of the 2000-2010 decade, so it's not unfamiliar territory for me.
> I’m also sure that you’ve had problems just like everybody else has had with Macs, from updates that break software and services that you’ve installed. My Macs have been broken numerous times by this bullshit whereas my Linux and Windows machines just keep trucking along like they’re supposed to.
I've had to run a trivially-googlable one-off command to fix homebrew permissions a couple times after OS upgrades. I think it broke badly on an update, requiring more intervention, exactly once, years ago. But the system was still fine, only Homebrew had trouble, and in the worst case it's really easy to just blow it (homebrew, that is) away and start over (which IIRC I've never had to resort to, though).
Dropping 32-bit support sucked. Macs were finally kinda, sorta, almost usable as gaming machines. Not everything was available, but the library had grown large enough that there was tons to play. All wiped out at once. Oh well, all my Macs have always had embedded graphics so I couldn't play anything fancier than Kerbal Space Program or Minecraft or most Unity-engine games, anyway, so it's not like I wasn't still going to need a separate box for that if I really wanted to scratch the PC gaming itch.
Macs do have problems (ugh, those first-gen butterfly keyboards...) but I've yet to see them be bad enough that I wouldn't still be making things a lot harder on myself by going back to Linux for work of any sort, and if I'm just gaming on something it may as well run Windows (which is unsuitable for any work I do or want to do, for a ton of reasons).