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Socials explode after judge shuts down accounts of Aubreigh Wyatt's grieving mom (sunherald.com)
23 points by FireBeyond on July 9, 2024 | hide | past | favorite | 36 comments


For those wondering who Aubreigh Wyatt was, she was apparently a 13 year old girl who committed suicide in September 2023 due to bullying: https://www.cgwall.com/sports/aubreigh-wyatt-56/


This information and more can be found in the article linked at the top of this page.


And now it can be found in the comments too.


As sad a situation as this apparently is, there are good reasons that we shouldn't try these cases in the court of public opinion.


I agree with you, but I’m wondering about TFA here. According to the article, she wasn’t actually mentioning the names of the bullies, why would an emergency judgement be done to stop her use of social media? I feel like something is missing here.


You do not need names to identify people to the community around.


That’s a fair point. Wish there was a proper article instead of local media and their GPT-level stuff.


If the bullies are also 13 then the courts aren't going to do much therefore the "court of public opinion" is the right court.


Well, it's a decent court, but the better court is the streets.

Anybody who has successfully overcome bullying (as I have) knows that bullies only understand one language. And you need to speak this language eloquently, for them to understand that terrorizing other kids is unacceptable.

It's too late for this girl, but I hope for the sake of future victims that the family can come to learn the value of a solid alibi, no witnesses or cameras, evidence cleanup, and location obfuscation.


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I suggest you reread the artixpe more carefully. Your comment makes no sense in context.


What am I missing? The social account of the mother of a teen that killed herself due to bulling was ordered to have her social media accounts shut down, even though she wasn't posting anything to target the girls who did the bullying.

Why does a comment saying maybe the government shouldn't have that power not make sense in this context?


Yes. The government has failed enough times. Big Tech needs less interference. Let the big bucks make the big decisions.

/s


> Let the big bucks make the big decisions.

Not at all what I was suggesting. Not even close.


You didn't suggest anything, you just posted a vague slogan, interpretable in many ways. You "correction" here contains even fewer details. If you want what you're saying to be clearly understood then try putting in more than the bare minimum of effort.


Maybe not what you were wanting to suggest but... yes it is something that would be the case in the situation you suggested, for better or worse, regardless of your intent.


I disagree. Something in the control of people would not inevitably end up in control of corporations.

Linux is a pretty good example of that not happening. Just one particular instance.


I love Linux, but it would not exist without corporate sponsors. It's a wonderful project and it continues to stay relatively pure due to the GPL, but there's really no possibility a social media platform (or the internet at-large) could adopt a similar strategy. Hosting is expensive, speech is fickle, and people's willingness to adopt fringe alternatives is at an all-time low. And without it's Benevolent Dictator For Life, there's frankly no guarantee that Linux wouldn't become a corporate-driven project. Blind authoritarianism is ironically one of it's strongest defenses.

The decentralized internet, the blockchain, the darkweb and I2P all need someone to pay for hosting costs. If you don't get a corporation in your pocket early and fast, then you won't be able to scale your website reliably. It's a common constraint across most networked platforms.


> I love Linux, but it would not exist without corporate sponsors.

Of course it would, for it already did. It might not be as polished, and there would be more issues with hardware, but it would certainly still exist, and even thrive. Because enough people want it and can put in the manpower to create it.

> but there's really no possibility a social media platform (or the internet at-large) could adopt a similar strategy.

By decentralizing it could.

> Hosting is expensive

Decentralizing would work around that.

> Blind authoritarianism is ironically one of it's strongest defenses.

The strongest defense is GPL, because if a company tried to do that then the same thing that happened with nginx would happen.

> The decentralized internet, the blockchain, the darkweb and I2P all need someone to pay for hosting costs.

With a properly designed protocol these costs would be neglibile.


Then, what were you suggesting?

The Decentralized Internet already exists: Mastodon, Tor, IPFS, (gasp) self-hosting, etc, etc, etc, provide the data delivery side and very few things are stopping you from hosting your own splinter DNS servers (or using one of the more-widely-used alternative nameservers) for the name resolution side.

Thing is, despite the fact that that all that (or functionally identical implementations of the same idea) has been around for decades, very, very few people use them.


> Then, what were you suggesting?

Honestly, I think it was clear. What's your next best guess after the other users'?

> The Decentralized Internet already exists

In a very alpha stage version, sure. It's currently fragmented, unstable, slow, has limited services and can still be interfered with.

I want something significantly closer to the 'normal' internet, but with a greater capacity for redundancy, privacy and anonymity. This is absolutely possible, inevitable even, but also quite a long ways away.


> Honestly, I think it was clear.

It wasn't. What were you suggesting?

> In a very alpha stage version, sure.

It has been like this for twenty-five years. I know this because I've been playing around with these tools for that long.

That these tools just haven't got much better over the last *quarter century* suggests that either really solving the problem is effectively impossible, or that solving it isn't actually worth the effort, given that someone with a $2 pipe wrench can nearly always extract security-relevant encryption material from a knowledgeable insider.

> I want something significantly closer to the 'normal' internet, but with a greater capacity for redundancy, privacy and anonymity.

You need to learn how the Internet works. It is (and always has been) a federated, distributed system, even back when it was known as the ARPANET. These days, usually-larger-than-end-user (but not always) participants in the Internet run one or more Autonomous Systems, and negotiate connection agreements (often called "Peering" or "Transit" agreements) to interconnect their Autonomous Systems with others.

You want privacy? Get service from operators that only interconnect with other operators that refuse to use their god-like powers of observation to deanonymize your traffic.


> inevitable even

I think the opposite is inevitable: even if you create another incarnation of Tor with better speed and so on, you can bet sooner or later the government will find ways to infiltrate it, just like they did with the current version.


Infiltrate, sure, but not control.


> It's currently fragmented, unstable, slow, has limited services and can still be interfered with.

what we really need is a law that makes it stable, fast and force services to be available, without government interference.


I agree that would be fantastic, but I would like something with protection against interference baked into the design, rather than having to rely on goodwill.


> Honestly, I think it was clear. What's your next best guess after the other users'?

Sorry but if it would be clear, there wouldn’t be so many commentators asking about it.


One comment made an unreasonable assumption/interpretation, and the commentators are talking about that.

I would think most people reading it understand it just fine but don't have a reason to leave a comment.


What's the difference? Nobody has more money than the government.


There is at least vague democratic legitimacy and control. Companies are black boxes which are unelectable. Unless you are a mega asset-holder like Blackrock.


It's quite simple. For governments money is a means, not an end. For commercial entities it is usually the other way around.


True. But I trust a man after money 1000x more than one after power.


Why? One is just as likely to sell you out than the other. And I refuse the insinuation that people working in governments are in it for the power.


Because you don't gain more money by someone else having less. Business is very much about maximizing win-win situations. Can't say the same for power.


Money is power.

If you think otherwise you are more of a fool than I can fathom.


I am more of a fool than you can imagine. Also I know more than one man richer than the POTUS.


the alignment problem.




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